Comments on: Marian devotion (to excess, or not to excess) http://jprice.org/2006/05/12/marian-devotion-to-excess-or-not-to-excess/ The exploits of Sandra, Jason and Samantha, trying to find their way through the world. Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:22:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jason http://jprice.org/2006/05/12/marian-devotion-to-excess-or-not-to-excess/comment-page-1/#comment-6 Jason Mon, 29 May 2006 18:48:04 +0000 http://nampaz.com/blog/index.php/archives/11#comment-6 I think JP2 leaned towards the Maximalist camp. B16 is pretty solid in the Minimalist camp. St. Bonaventure once said that every great saint has a great Marian devotion (though i think it's safe to say it's not a two way street). Here are the things I keep coming back to: 1) Jesus is effectivly a non-entity in a fair portion of Latin and South America Catholic circles. This is one reason protestants (Adam Suter anyone?) goes down there. If Mary is viewed as a needed requirement for Jesus, then that's fine, but the point is still the sacrafice of Jesus. 2) Great Marian devotion can't forget the second half of the 'theotokos' title: Mother of God... Mother is insufficient. 3) The passage late in Jerimiah where he condems those who worship 'the queen of heaven' keep reverberating in my mind as well... I realize that it's far more accurate to call Mary 'geberah' (sp?) which is 'Queen Mother of Heaven', in the model of the kings of Judah, but how many people realize THAT? I think JP2 leaned towards the Maximalist camp. B16 is pretty solid in the Minimalist camp.

St. Bonaventure once said that every great saint has a great Marian devotion (though i think it’s safe to say it’s not a two way street).

Here are the things I keep coming back to:
1) Jesus is effectivly a non-entity in a fair portion of Latin and South America Catholic circles. This is one reason protestants (Adam Suter anyone?) goes down there. If Mary is viewed as a needed requirement for Jesus, then that’s fine, but the point is still the sacrafice of Jesus.

2) Great Marian devotion can’t forget the second half of the ‘theotokos’ title: Mother of God… Mother is insufficient.

3) The passage late in Jerimiah where he condems those who worship ‘the queen of heaven’ keep reverberating in my mind as well… I realize that it’s far more accurate to call Mary ‘geberah’ (sp?) which is ‘Queen Mother of Heaven’, in the model of the kings of Judah, but how many people realize THAT?

]]> By: AnotherCoward http://jprice.org/2006/05/12/marian-devotion-to-excess-or-not-to-excess/comment-page-1/#comment-5 AnotherCoward Wed, 24 May 2006 14:23:18 +0000 http://nampaz.com/blog/index.php/archives/11#comment-5 Right ... I understand. I, like you, am more comfortable with the minimalist attitude ... yet, when I get down to asking myself, "How far would Christ go?" I have a tendency to feel guilty about not being more comfortable (if not totally comfortable) with the maximalist view. That, and I love JP2 ... and I think he would fall under maximalist. It certainly did him no harm. Right … I understand. I, like you, am more comfortable with the minimalist attitude … yet, when I get down to asking myself, “How far would Christ go?” I have a tendency to feel guilty about not being more comfortable (if not totally comfortable) with the maximalist view.

That, and I love JP2 … and I think he would fall under maximalist. It certainly did him no harm.

]]> By: Jason http://jprice.org/2006/05/12/marian-devotion-to-excess-or-not-to-excess/comment-page-1/#comment-4 Jason Wed, 24 May 2006 01:32:48 +0000 http://nampaz.com/blog/index.php/archives/11#comment-4 I understand this. No worries. My issues more run around the LIMITS of these statements, rather than their basis. I understand this. No worries. My issues more run around the LIMITS of these statements, rather than their basis.

]]> By: AnotherCoward http://jprice.org/2006/05/12/marian-devotion-to-excess-or-not-to-excess/comment-page-1/#comment-3 AnotherCoward Wed, 24 May 2006 01:01:11 +0000 http://nampaz.com/blog/index.php/archives/11#comment-3 I always liked Scott Hahn intro to Mary ... rough paraphrase, I could be kinda wrong: Jesus is absolutely obedient to the Law, and we are to aspire to be as Jesus is and do as Jesus does. Jesus, according to the Mosaic Law, honors His Mother and Father - which means that He not only brings them glory but gives them glory. That's the "two planks" on which all appropriate Marian devotion stands. I always liked Scott Hahn intro to Mary … rough paraphrase, I could be kinda wrong:

Jesus is absolutely obedient to the Law, and we are to aspire to be as Jesus is and do as Jesus does. Jesus, according to the Mosaic Law, honors His Mother and Father – which means that He not only brings them glory but gives them glory. That’s the “two planks” on which all appropriate Marian devotion stands.

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